Sewing The Seeds of Buddhism in Poland - Piotr Jagodziński

00:00.43
sol_hanna
Welcome to Treasure Mountain the podcast that inspires and guides people to find the answers sunspass value of spiritual development on this episode of spirit stories we have as our guest Peter Jagazinski from Poland who has led the establishment and growth of sarsana dot pl website and Youtube channel they've been translating teachers of forest tradition into polish and getting an astonishing amount of traffic recently. Peter is leading efforts to establish a monastery. In the theravada tradition. Peter is a true pioneer of the buddha sarsana in Poland and to support it none of people to connect with this authentic spiritual tradition and develop their own practice I'm so glad you've chosen to join us as we seek for the treasure within.

00:53.54
sol_hanna
Welcome Peter to treasure man how are you today.

00:57.00
Piotr Jagodzinski
Ah, wonderful. It's good to see you good to hear you I'm very good.

01:07.23
sol_hanna
I'm ah, really pleased to be talking to you too. It's been ah, really too long I think that we have been exchanging emails for over ten years but 15 years now and finally we get to speak. It's ready. Fantastic.

01:15.59
Piotr Jagodzinski
Right? right? It's it's it's almost like ah meeting your pen pal and talking to him. Ah yeah.

01:24.35
sol_hanna
I I Do think it's a bit like that look I think a really great place for us to start this conversation would be to find out how you got started on your spiritual Journey. So How did you get started M in particular how did you find out about the the buddhist. But his practice.

01:43.58
Piotr Jagodzinski
Well I've I've started very early and might say in the 90 s so I was I started meditating when I was None and. My my journey is a bit you might say awkward because I've started with the very the highest philosophy I think and and buddhism because I came across the um Mulamayam Maa karicka by Nagarjuna actually I just read it in um, in a book and then I I read like ah a snippet just like ah an idea and then I just had to find it like and internet and I just. Just felt that yeah, that's it this is it and so this is like the the highest you might say like really difficult philosophy on on sunyatown on emptiness um of. Of everything actually this is like the you know, ah, ah way to overcome your your diity or your views with the help of of sunnita with the help of of emptiness. But but then I I realized that this theory you know, like very high philosophy is okay but I was lacking practice. So um, after that I was searching for meditation practice.

03:31.12
sol_hanna
Um.

03:35.21
Piotr Jagodzinski
And I was meditating by myself I did you know I did some I was searching in in catholicism or whatever. but but I found that real practice was in in Buddhism. I practiced a lot of zen buddhism and and Tibetan and then I found I found the theravada so I became a theravada practitioner and when I was 22 and then I took like None precepts and i.

03:53.71
sol_hanna
Heck.

04:12.12
Piotr Jagodzinski
I felt I became a teravada twenty two and I'm I'm practicing since then.

04:19.43
sol_hanna
I have to ask ah back in the 1990 s was it easy for you to find teachings or teachers in Poland or did you how how did you go with that.

04:28.13
Piotr Jagodzinski
No, that was very difficult and actually I was ah I was when I was 17 I did know a little bit english and it was all english so and I didn't even you know back in that day. I didn't even had the chance to get the whole ah Mulama Yaaka karicka it was just like also like a couple of chapters I think it was bachelor's translation. So yeah, it wasn't there was nothing in in polish language. There was ah like None of my. Um, one of the things that I wanted to ah read buddhism and polish because you know reading in your mother tongue or your father tongue or whatever is is much much easier. But ah but I didn't have the chance you know, like there was almost nothing in polish. So yeah, it was difficult and because it was difficult I also said I also thought to myself or someone has to start starts. Translating this I didn't even know it would be me doing that I was just saying that it has to be done. So.

05:48.39
sol_hanna
I have to say I have a lot of ah compassion for your situation. There's a bit of a parallel because in the 1990 s I was a teenager and I went along to the buddhaist society looking for that same book by Naga Juna and I found it in the library. And then it was a Saturday afternoon. It was time to go learn meditation I was like what? oh okay, I'll go learn meditation and I never did read the book but I did learn meditation. But for me a lot easier. So. It's interesting that your story is that actually that you had um. Ah, hire wall to climb to get started. It sounds like to me.

06:25.12
Piotr Jagodzinski
Yeah, yeah, I I mean I don't know who's I'm not gonna judge who had the higher None to but ah, but definitely I was I was feeling kind of you know? um. Polish language is not as as popular as english so that's why I was I was um, it's not it's not I don't want to say that you know we are the None category category of or whatever. But ah. We were a little bit left out. You know, like because of communism and all this the history. You know it's we we didn't have as much information as as the world might say yeah.

07:03.89
sol_hanna
Who.

07:16.36
sol_hanna
Yeah, and I'm just interested I mean you undertook this I guess like spiritual inquiry in the 1990 s when you were quite young. Ah there was obviously the challenge of finding materials in your own language. But. Also was was there any sense of community or anything to that you that could support you in that early stage or were you really just doing it on your own.

07:46.60
Piotr Jagodzinski
Um, well in the 90 s was just like just after the fall of communism right? 1989 1990 so we didn't have much time to kind of ah do. Any sort of work we. There were like the beginnings right? but but no definitely no theravada I mean there was theravada before there was theravada during the communism there was theravada even like ah. Before second world war there were like some translation of damapata but it was just like you know, couple of people here and there and and just starting and this it was not There was no community. That's for sure and um so there was nowhere to go. Um, there was no advertising no information whatsoever. So yeah I was doing basically everything on my own and. Kind of it was you know it's like a yinyangng a little bit of um, yeah, not bad, but like not easy or and but this although also made me like um work and work from the basics. And just work on my own you know, like ah like a rhiosaurus you know if you don't have anyone you can teach from you just like the like the rhinoaurus suta you just you just go through the jungle on your own and and which is which is which has its. Dangers you know you can you can go very wrong way when you're on your own but but that's how it was it was it was difficult but it it was very educational I learned a lot. So yeah.

09:51.13
sol_hanna
I asked you about that in part because um, I'm guessing that that formed as part of your motivation to start sarsenar dot pl the website and the Youtube channel that you've established. Ah, which has ah and hundreds of translations now. Um, what was it that got you started that motivated you to undertake what must have been pretty daunting to begin with this idea of I'm going to just work on translating these teachings so that others can have them. What was that original motivation.

10:29.43
Piotr Jagodzinski
Well, the the history was that I did actually find someone ah was the guy from he was polish but he was living in Canada and he was starting translations of the suitas into polish. It was before 2 start 2002 so with like the early 2000 and um and I started to to translate suttas with him the the motivation was I ah, gradually like you know learning about. Tibetan Buddhism and zen buddhism in Poland because I did go to these groups I found that um I wanted I want to go deeper I want to go you know earlier I wanted to see. But the real Buddha like the the historical buddha let's say and and I found that it was the suass actually I when I was ah when I was still doing this. Let's say mahayana I was thinking to myself. Oh my goodness I hope I I will not. Ah, will not end up as Theravada because Theravada so Hinayana right? They're so smaller vehicle but I did end up in Therovada because I I found that the suitas you know in english they were just they were just like so clear.

11:46.68
sol_hanna
And.

12:02.20
Piotr Jagodzinski
And so I I I found this like there was like only None website was called http://tptechuppltipiteka.pl and and they were just we were just starting right? So we there were a couple of people. Um, ah. Cooperating. There was actually ah a forum like a buddhist forum and there were some buddhists there so I kind of connected with the people through internet right? So this was my medium finding the the people the terra adins. And in 2002 I think I yeah I I said that I wanted to do my own and and I wanted to do more like be a bit broader you know, like translating the. The articles like the you know the dumbma talks and and do a a bit more. So so the it was it was starting and I was kind of trying to get you know like trying to get the right thing like doing the right steps um and it was also educating me as well like when I was translating the dma talks even the suas I did translate at the beginning from from english but then I was like the the english translations were okay, but. I I was also missing pali so I started to learn pali and and check pali original of the suitas. So so I was ah I was starting to um, be a little bit more independent. And and trying to do you know my own translations but but do it like more broad like for the community, especially the like ah I think my my intention was. Always the the community connected through the internet I kind of thought that the the internet medium would would become something bigger back in the day you know like early 2000 it was like internet that's just like. New gadget. That's nothing right? but ah, but I I really believed that that would it would you know come up and become something bigger and yeah, so so ah.

14:52.32
Piotr Jagodzinski
The my main. My main intention was was to to introduce the Dhamma because I think that the Dhamma is the sutas and the Dhamma dogs. Um, to others and and by that I was also learning a lot. So yeah.

15:13.30
sol_hanna
Right now before we go on I think 1 thing I need to ask is what information or services. Do you have on Sarsen appeal. Could you give us an overview of what's on offer.

15:26.31
Piotr Jagodzinski
Right? Well right now there's there's a website called Sas on a p and over there. There are mainly it's like ah it's a. Website that you can read right? So there are articles text translations of the suttas by various authorts translators. So. It's not only me, but it's also some monks polish monks and other. Lay people who try to translate? Um, but there's also like dictionaries. Um, rest started some dictionary some dictionary translations. Some are not finished and what else is there. The you know the the project is evolving so then became the it became like Youtube because we we did translate the the thematogs we did make them into text. But also we made them first. We made them like subtitles to the to the videos like ajabrams. But then we made like a voiceover but also ah Sasana became. More so we we started to publish the books like on paper because this is also something that we kind of let's say devolved into paper from internet to paper because I got the information that some people really cannot read. On the computer screen. So so we started to publish them on paper and they were for free this became ah from so this is still sasana but it became like a new project called damma pl and now there's a whole website. That person can just go into that website and order paper version book and we have like I think right now None books which are for free and everything is for free even the shipman was for free. But yeah I had. Had to change that and now the book is for free. It's like the Madonna but the the shipment the the courier is paid by the person who was ordering it and eventually I had to we had to ah.

18:14.62
Piotr Jagodzinski
Found the foundation The terraboda foundation There was also kind of the the sasana was the base for the foundation and it evolved more and more and even now we are trying to make this society The the pebs. Think you'll ask me sooner or later on. Yeah.

18:35.80
sol_hanna
Well before you get onto that. That's a pretty big undertaking so I didn't know about the um, the Terravada Foundation and I didn't know about http://dumbma.pl where people could order free books that sounds like it's pretty expensive. Have you been well supported in terms of donations.

18:55.62
Piotr Jagodzinski
Well, ah when when we were we we established the the foundation 2013 and the foundation in Poland is like ah it's ah it's a it's a foundation that. Just makes some projects right? and you can donate to foundation and and the the foundation can just spend money on some projects right? So it's at the beginning of course it.

19:27.57
sol_hanna
And.

19:34.16
Piotr Jagodzinski
It was just there was not much support my idea at the beginning was the dumb ma should be for free and I am like everybody was saying do not do that. This is a bad idea. You will go bankrupt really soon. But I was like. Really I really wanted it to be for free and the the cover of the book is like you know you have a front cover and at the back cover you have like a logo and you have like really big letters saying this is. Dumb Madonna this is a book for free if you want to donate this is our bank account. That's it and I thought that um because this is a dumb. Ah, this is dumber gift. Um, it is like ah it is like a gift that.

20:19.14
sol_hanna
And.

20:32.56
Piotr Jagodzinski
People can have and because they have it for free. They feel to say obliged I don't know if this is the right right? They they feel kind of they feel thankful and so if they see it if they have any money they they donate.

20:40.14
sol_hanna
Politically.

20:43.76
sol_hanna
Um.

20:51.63
Piotr Jagodzinski
From the heart to the to the foundation and I think this is like the purest way of of of donating because there's no fixed price. There's nothing. You know the the people don't have to worry how how much it costs. And and I'm really happy to give the dumbma for free and it's if I may and I'm not bragging. This was a really big success. The the paper version books were a really big success and even though the you know. Printing the the book is not cheap, but we know you know with the with we like I don't know a couple of years ago we I did ask you about this about the book by Ajan Bram so we collected the the dumbma talks by Aja Bram the the video dumbma talks and we made it into text and published it on paper. So this is a bests seller. This is like our bestseller it will soon it will reach like. None copies free of charge of course and and we sent and we send it everywhere. This is like None Well it's not yet 10000 but it will be ah it's like ah I should you know we should get a rear like award you know because like the commercial books don't have this kind of um.

22:06.67
sol_hanna
Wow.

22:24.60
Piotr Jagodzinski
Pride let's say and and this book is like this is really book. But you know others they they are good as well. You know we have like ah bunta dam mia good question good answers which is like a really good book for the beginners and and so on and so forth so Agenttani. So um, the books are are doing the real job and I think that you know I can see from ah from donations that it's it's this. It's this natural um reaction that people have that if if they receive something they they just kind of feel thankful and this is like the best way of practicing Dannna you know, like um, yeah donna generosity.

23:14.16
sol_hanna
I totally agree with you and I have to say that's been my experience as well is that when you offer something for free. Ah they actually value it more and often they feel like that you know they want to give they want to. Almost want to be part of it by giving something to them. It makes them feel like they're part of it as well. They're not just a customer They're actually you know part of something a bit bigger and quite special. So that's been really amazing. Look um I just want to turn. Also to the um, the Youtube channel which I just checked out ah prior to doing this this ah conversation I looked at http://sarsana.pe on Youtube and I was pretty astonished when I saw you've got over None subscribers and you've had over 27000000 views what's going on there. Um, and how has um how has this been received in Poland like what are people telling you.

24:14.28
Piotr Jagodzinski
Um, is it all I don't I mean I've been I've been doing this channel for so long I don't even know if it's these are big numbers. But um, yeah, the for me. Um. You know I'm I'm kind of I'm I'm aware that people are watching a brown especially I Jim Brown because I am we are trying to um to do. A lot more than just Aja bra but Ajam Bram seems to kind of click with the polish audience audience but we are doing audio books and we are doing um everything from interviews to kind of we like Pota. Chanting and and suit we try to suit us. Ah so so we are we are doing a lot and um the numbers. You know sometimes it's ah it's hard to imagine you know like there's ah, there's None ah, views film right? and I with the millions I'm kind of like I'm already kind of dey I don't know how how is it? You know that people can how many people actually watch this this the the statistics. Probably would not show and some people the the feedback is like this a lot of people know Ajan Brahm in Poland and they they know him through Youtube channel but also also on Sasana. The The funny thing is that I don't know if it's the same in Australia but in Poland a lot of people in comments. they they write oh ajam Brahm I always listen to him before sleep and he's such a good. Ah. Such a best way to to go to sleep is like a sleeping pill and I'm kind of like okay, but now when Aja Bram will come to Poland maybe one day and old guy will like none of people. Everybody will fall asleep because he'll just um and everybody will kind of associate with sleeping but.

26:39.15
sol_hanna
Ah, yeah.

26:41.98
Piotr Jagodzinski
But ah the you know it's like it's been ah, Aja Brahms ah dumbma talks they they were There're really amazing with with polish people. Um you know I've I've had I've had feedback from from people like um. Really drastic things that people had you know like depression or or being addicted or or having some being in a hospital or whatever and they write to me. You know, listen you know I I was. I was close to death some people you know were describing like this and I I listened to Ain Brahman you just saved my life. You know I Jim Bram saved my life and you know this this is the the fuel to to my you know this is where I I kind of. I decide I need to do more. You know I need to I need to work more because you know I think they are true if they're what they are saying and and you know so many such a good feedback that I just I don't I don't look at the numbers. You know I mean. It's nice that that this is like going well but but at None point it's just like it's an abstract number and and I think that you know there was like ah there are some funny stories like there's None funny story voyek who's like the co-founder he was going by uber. Right? And he he said that you know I'm going with this guy is like ah he like an uber driver and he's starting to say like like out of blue right? He doesn't know voteko because vo tech is not like so popular right? So that the uber jarvis you know I have. I have listened to this monk a buddhist monk you know I think his name is brahmaja Bram you know I think you should I think you should listen to him and his voexs like fonders like oh okay, thank you! Thanks! So it's just like really popular even among the the uber drivers and it's ah.

28:43.47
sol_hanna
Um.

28:55.30
Piotr Jagodzinski
It's going really? Well I think I think the polish um polish society is it I think the the polish society is a spiritual society I think we had this. We have this history the the culture. And right now the let's say catholicism the christianity in Poland is a bit declining and and it's declining quite rapidly actually so people because they are spiritual. They are trying to find something new. Like something which is spiritual and good and actually better and then they turn to to buddhism maybe and they see ajan brah and Najan Brown is you know he's funny when when he wants to be He's going deep and and emotional and. And helps people and even helps people to get you know to get to sleep and so it's it's all good. You know so so I think it clicks really well with the with the society and I can just I can just do more. That's It's all I can do.

30:12.11
sol_hanna
Right? That's really interesting because it sounds to me like what sarsenut top pl is providing is very timely for polish society from what you're telling me um I agree with you also about what you said about the statistics I mean. They are really nice, but what really makes a difference is those stories that people tell you about their own personal transformation and there's no way of measuring that and I just find like and it's not There's not necessarily an endpoint um people might get some real benefits and come out of depression but then they might go even further and then. Develop really good meditation or something like that down the track. Um, but I did want to ask you? Ah, what's your perception of how buddhism has been developing in Poland and and how and how is sasan appeal contributed to that. Do you think.

31:00.92
Piotr Jagodzinski
Um, yeah I did. Um, what the the buddhism overall is is growing I think that's that's definitely happening whether it's Theravada or Mahayana Vaayana it's I think it's growing. And we as sasana we are contributing this small thing to to the post society and for me when I was back in the 90 s this is the thing. What I want to do is something I lacked in in the 90 s and and the early 2000 is this the choice and like you know choice and also a little bit more depth because um. You know you can have this you can go to Wikipedia right? and and read about buddhism but you know we are also we are also publishing meditation sessions on Youtube this is something you know this is something new right. Before you had to go to the retreat center or any city center to get to meditate with the monk right? But now you can do it kind of online. You don't have to be like live. You can just have a recording and you can you can meditate and people do meditate. You know, like vis-a-vis a computer right now even in the Zoom we also do zoom meditations by the way. But um, the the whole thing the the buddhism as a whole I think it's it's. Evolving I don't know and I don't want to be this person who says that you know mine is better because whatever now I don't want that I I believe in early buddhism I believe that that for me for my heart for my mind and my taste let's say the the early buddhism is this is it but I don't mind if someone else wants to practice differently. So i.

33:36.87
Piotr Jagodzinski
I don't know how much I am we are contributing to to Buddhism. But what I know is that more and more people want to meditate and actually um, you know want to I hope and that's what all Also we are trying to like emphasize. To find the way out of suffering you know to get actually you know awakened at None point but but you know we are we are publishing books like in this very life which means like you can practice in this very life and. You know, get something out of this in this very life by by up pandia. So so you know I'm I'm also kind of joking because I was with Ajan Bramali and aja bodhidaja and um you know piodre voyek and so we we were like talking about you know the future society and that was like saying to especially to those polish guys that you know this is like a thousand years ago there was ah there was like a small group of people. Who are trying to establish christianity in paganism in Poland and now we are trying to establish like ah buddhism in Poland not that christianity is paganism or there's not so much parallels but you know like it's it's starting small but. You know we are trying to make something big I hope it'll get bigger but you know it's it's not It's not for you know one religion to dominate. It's for the people to actually get help because this is like the this the feedback that I was I was mentioning before. If something really helps and it helped me and it helps others. Well I I want to share it I just want to share it with everyone because it helped me if it doesn't help everyone if if something else helps I'm fine with that. That's that's my motivation.

35:47.71
sol_hanna
Oh that's really, really great and I totally know where you're coming from it is you know there's that on the None hand you don't care whether anybody's interested. But at the same time you just feel so enthusiastic and so committed that you want to share it but it sounds to me like at the very least there's none of ah, your fellow poles who are who are quite interested. You did' mention that arjam bramalli and arjam bodhi darja were just recently in Poland can you tell us a bit about why you invited Ajam Bramali to Poland and how that visit went.

36:22.50
Piotr Jagodzinski
Well, we we actually did the the story is actually quite quite funny too because I am I am not so keen in making a new church. Um, and I was actually always kind of well not kind of against I wasn't a fan of of making this it's called Zionzzi visanaiava which means like like a religious society in Poland which you have to register. And you know get all the papers. Whatever so that's why we establish foundation. Um, and even though I was a monk twice right? I I'm not like I'm not so much into clergy I mean I do love. Sangha and I and I respect those who need respect right? Pujapuja Ayana like the Mangasetta says. But um I wasn't I wasn't a fan of that but things happened. And actually the funny thing was that I was helping ukrainian monks to get to Poland to get away from the war that started but we couldn't get them cross across through the border and they asked me why being in Ukraine they asked me to help. A Cla which is like ah like a nun from bur she was ordained in Burma but she was Ukraine she had like ah the head part food was was getting invalid right? and and they asked me to kind of take care of her. Maybe come to Poland and it's what I did and just the same day that the cla kind of came I think same video on next day. Piot Poetta wrote to me. Hey you know I I invited Ajan Bromali and we are starting this society and I was like wait this something. Something's happening and and it's like these these events were happening and and there was like None None more person like ah. Ah, Cantipala was like lay person who wanted to donate this land for feature nunnery. So it all came together and I I kind of said that okay, now it's time I think it's time to change my views.

39:11.40
Piotr Jagodzinski
And so so we did we did invite aja Ajan Bromali and then ajan bodhidaja came along as well because he was close and and we ah first of all, ah. From what we were were informed that you know Ajan Brahmadi was coming to kind of get to know us and and also maybe um, connect. All the the parties let's say um, but also I wanted to I wanted him to see the this land which will maybe potentially be a future nunnery. But also you know to see paulland and and he also made like a public talk in cracko and whoa I've I've known najan brama before because I was in in Australia so I did like an interview with him why I know he's he's a he's a perfect monk and he's he's really fun and and and he's really kind of he knows what he's doing I think and and they already started this work on constitution and um. I did read a little bit and and it was really good. You know it was written. It seemed with experience like based on experience from from the experience before so like all those. Things that might have gone wrong in a new place I think they they figured them out and ah it it kind of the the whole text looks really well sort of and so we had we we needed to talk about. You know the details. Um and we did and we did I think I think we we read that it's time and and ajin bramadi I think I hope he he also felt that he actually said it. That he never suspected that polish people would be so much interested in in Buddhism because we actually we did ah kind of announced that a brahma is coming and we were we had like ah.

41:57.46
Piotr Jagodzinski
Ah, room like a three hundred thirty seats for this this this place and those 330 seats were taken within like I don't know a week we had to make a list and we had to close the list because there was like there was so many people trying to wanting to come that we had to discourage people from coming because we said okay if some some people will not come maybe people. Outside the list. Maybe they will come we we kind of discouraged them because we we saw that it's like we could have had None seats and may I think we could have filled it easily. So it's ah. It seems that and Ajan Bromali was really impressed with that and we impressed that he was he was going. He was coming from I think Belgium or something and he said that you know western europe is yeah spirituality maybe meditation maybe but here it's like ah. This is something really close to the heart and I know my people I think polish people are are very spiritual and they are they are ready for for that and so so Aja bramadi and Ajan budhidaja they they saw everything. Give us that we we did some meetings with with the more more engaged people with the foundation and with trying to help with the society and so they did and it's like we are starting like step by step but we are. It's also that Ajan Bramali is doing it. Step by step and very slowly and and not not rushing things just making it you know first we have to do this society legalized and then we'll think about the places and stuff so it's it's it's been really good and and I really I really appreciate. The way he's handling this because None more thing about polish people. We are also very kind of like too eager you know we are like like a cavalry like yeah you know, charged. Let's let's go and um so he's he's pouring. Water on on our heads which is really good as well.

44:29.50
sol_hanna
I'm very familiar with that as well. Which can be useful but it can also kind of rev you up and keep you working to make sure that you do it very well. Um, look. This is a really interesting story. Maybe just as we head towards the end of this interview. You could tell us what is your vision or your hope for where for the future of buddhism in Poland.

44:50.80
Piotr Jagodzinski
Well, we do want to make a monastery and again this is something I I wanted to make for me from the past because I you know in the 90 s and 2000 I had to go to to Asia to to become a monk. So what I want to make is I want to make conditions for for polish people to easily ordain male and female. We want to. Want to make this equal from the beginning and and easily because there's also I I am kind of like I have the emails so many emails from guys and girls who want to ordain and i. I have to say you know you have to go here. There. It's kind of far right? It's a different country but I would like ah for the monastery, especially a monastery to be somewhere in Poland where people can ordain and become a bi kubi kumi but also we want to make. That's what I always wanted to do make city centers just like in Australia that can provide local communities like communities. You know just to go and meditate to to get the books. The free dumber books. And and just get some and of course damatov by monks who could come like None day. Um this this whole kind of system of of city centers in the big cities around Poland. And a monasteries that that would be like something I would I would want to see in the future and I would want to see you know I really would like to see an ordination in Poland the none oration that would be something that yeah that would be something like heart warming. Me because it's like yeah I think that then I would say yeah I think job job. Well done I think.

47:13.50
sol_hanna
Ah, well, the Buddha did say that that was one of the signs of us of ah the saranana getting wellest established in a country is that you know people do go forth and ordained in that country and it's an amazing what you've achieved and as an outsider it seems to me like this is.

47:23.69
Piotr Jagodzinski
Um, man.

47:32.50
sol_hanna
Ah, definitely a result of the hard work that you've put in. But also you've got many colleagues who've done a lot of translations and a lot of hard work as well. Ah, but also it does sound like you know it's time. It's you know Poland as a society is ready. There is that interest and um I think. Those as those main ingredients with people who are willing to give of their time but also to be offer their material support as well as just that strong interest I mean I think surely this must come through to fruition in the in the coming years. So I really wish you well. Ah, did you want to say anything else about what you're working on and how people can find out about Sarsan Rp L you know this is an english language podcast but you know there may be many people who know polish people it might be polish people who are listening who can tell their friends.

48:25.63
Piotr Jagodzinski
Yeah, right now I'm working on ah on translating from pali to polish the tippitaka but I don't know if I'll have time in this life to translate the whole thing but I'm starting with Myjimanikaya. So so. This year probably the third book on majimanikaya and I am starting Diggannikaya and Kuakkanikaya and Diggannikaya first Diggannikaya is this philosophical text and I'm really happy I'm excited to kind of. Get into the research and and do the the translation because when I do the translation of the suta I also do very long people say too long, but it's long introduction to the sua and so I'm I'm really excited to kind of you know close my doors ah buy all the food. Not. Not contact anyone just do the research and and just do the you know retreat meditate and and work on the suitas. So yeah soon I'm really happy to do that and of course you know I hope people will um, will kind of use this work that I'm doing with translation. I do also you know work with suta sano I published those on sutta such you know, just the text of the of the suitas. But um, you know it's ah for for the for the support we have. As much support is needed and if you know I'm not going to say that we need support because ah what what we need is people practicing and people meditating and if if they are doing their part practicing is good enough. This is the but the best supports from my point of view is when people will kind of you know practice be happy and get liberated from some Sara this is enough Donna you know for me. So but if you want to go and check the saana. Pl website or go to dumb up appeall log go want to you want to go to Terravapl this is our foundation or you can visit us our Discord you know we have a very um discord is is our new thing right? We are. Developing that so we can follow us on on this quote as well as Facebook we have everything even Instagram we have so we are we are we are there.

51:13.12
sol_hanna
Fantastic look I'm going to put a link to your profile on treasuremountain info and it's going to have all of those links there. So and also you'll find links in the description below look I'm really appreciate Peter Peter that you've taken the time. Talk to us about these really inspiring developments that you've been part of in Poland and I wish you and your community all the very best may be successful with these are very very inspiring efforts.

51:43.26
Piotr Jagodzinski
Thank you for having me. Thank you for finally talking to my paypal pen pen Paul my favorite panpa from Australia. Thank you sad do father. Thank you.

51:52.72
sol_hanna
Ah, it's it's been great and thank you to thank you to all our listeners for joining us on this inspiring episode with a pioneer of Buddhism in Poland you can find out more about treasure mountain by going to treasure mountain dot info the website. But you can find all the previous episodes and information about our guests if you enjoy this podcast. You can subscribe by searching for the term treasure mountain in your favorite podcast app or you can go to treasuremound dot info and then go to one of the talks and you can click underneath that talk your favorite podcast app and it'll sign you up. Don't forget to tell your friends about treasure mountain two I'll have more inspiring guests and topics coming up in the coming weeks next week we're going to have Aja Bramali and until then I wish you all the best on your spiritual voyage.